<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 Nov 2018 18:39, "panayotis antoniadis" <<a href="mailto:panayotis@nethood.org">panayotis@nethood.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Hi Leonardo,<br>
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On 16.11.18 18:21, Leonardo Maccari wrote:<br>
> On 16/11/18 14:27, panayotis antoniadis wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Panos,<br>
><br>
>> One can get these people anyway and raise money even without the logos<br>
>> of guifi and ninux on the home page, just by showcasing the profiles of<br>
>> the concrete people involved like Leandro Navarro and Leonardo Maccari<br>
>> who have enough credibility on their own.<br>
> Just to say two things:<br>
> - I have no direct involvement with AMMBR. If I had, I'd have no<br>
> problem in saying it.<br>
<br>
</div>I really apologize for the misunderstanding. I had in mind some results<br>
you presented in the latest battle of the mesh on blockchain, if I<br>
remember correctly, which were linked to Ammbr somehow.<br>
<br>
In any case, the point was not about the specific names, but that<br>
important people in the CN community have engaged in Ammbr either as<br>
members or producing research that is, or could be, integrated in their<br>
product.<br>
<br>
This is already good enough to show that Ammbr has some support by this<br>
community.<br>
<br>
Adding the logos of guifi and ninux in my view could result in the<br>
appropriation of the whole CN narrative, which is a sort of "commons".<br>
<br>
It is built out of the efforts of all CNs in this community and deserves<br>
at least a wider debate when two of its key members make such a "brave"<br>
choice of support.<br>
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<br>
> - to the benefit of the list, the reason why the ninux logo is on AMMBR<br>
> page is explained here:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://blog.ninux.org/2017/09/16/ninux-and-ammbr/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.ninux.org/2017/<wbr>09/16/ninux-and-ammbr/</a><br>
><br>
> which, even if more than one year passed, still describes more or less<br>
> my opinion.<br>
<br>
</div>Thanks for this. I didn't know about it.<br>
<br>
I would keep some reserves for this "From the information we have, it<br>
seems that the whole system will be open source and the hardware will<br>
have an open design."<br>
<br>
In such a dynamic environment it is very hard to guarantee it, and if it<br>
does not happen at the end, it will be too late.<br>
<br>
For me open source projects should start as open source. Later anything<br>
could happen, like the recent hack of Ammbr's currency, and plans for<br>
"openness" easily change.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Any link to that hack?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> best,<br>
> leonardo.<br>
><br>
>> In any case, I think that it is at least worth to have a debate and<br>
>> listen to the different perspectives.<br>
>><br>
>> My 2 cents :-)<br>
>><br>
>> Panos.<br>
>><br>
>> On 14.11.18 09:30, Paul Fuxjaeger wrote:<br>
>>> here is the event description:<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2018-ws-279-scaling-community-networks-exploring-blockchain-and-efficient-investment" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intgovforum.org/<wbr>multilingual/content/igf-2018-<wbr>ws-279-scaling-community-<wbr>networks-exploring-blockchain-<wbr>and-efficient-investment</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> and here is a nice open access publication:<br>
>>><br>
>>> "The community network manual : how to build the Internet yourself"<br>
>>> <a href="http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/25696" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.<wbr>br/dspace/handle/10438/25696</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 14.11.18 09:29, Paul Fuxjaeger wrote:<br>
>>>> streaming live from paris right now:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr6XUSeIMhc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=Nr6XUSeIMhc</a><br>
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