[Battlemesh] Wireless Battle Mesh v5 - Next steps

Pau hakais at gmail.com
Thu Sep 22 15:43:25 CEST 2011

I agree, if we are able to have the firmware and tests ready before battle
mesh, we will have a big improvment. Maybe we can try to do it. I know you
have a big experience with openwrt, and I could help too. We could start
creating a new mailing list, something like: wbm-firmware or wbm-work or
whatever. And discuss there how to organize it and what is needed for the
next firmware.

> Adding more hardware won't solve anything.
I don't agree. I'm not saying just add more hardware. I'm speaking about "to
change" the actual hardware to a new one which let us more possiblities.


2011/9/22 Nico <nico at openwrt.org>

> Hi Pau,
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Pau <hakais at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi.
>> I'm also a newcomer at WBM, the last one was my first one. Before I went
>> there, I thought that this was an event where the main objective was to test
>> mesh protocols and put them in battle. But after, my thought was that this
>> is an event to meet people and speak about some geek topics.
> For me that is good, but maybe to push the original objective a little more
>> would be nice.
>> One of the main restrictions I found is the hardware. Fonera is a very
>> limited device and when you are running 4 or 5 protocols, it can do some
>> strange things, and the tests become unreliable. Maybe we should put some
>> efforts in to have another kind of hardware, we can find some sponsors who
>> can give us some hardware. Or maybe we can put a special tax for spending on
>> hardware (10€ per person = 600€ = 10 new devices).
> We can (and always tried to in the past) do both : gather people and have
> them exchange on these "geek" topics *and* do some real tests. The hardest
> part has always been to have everybody agree on what to test and how, and
> get everything ready to do it. If we can manage to agree on test scenarios
> and objectives and have routing protocols, hardware devices and firmwares
> ready before the event would actually start, that would be a massive
> improvement. Adding more hardware won't solve anything.
>> About the sponsors searching, what can we offer them?
> I don't know... visibility ?
> Cheers,
> --
> -{Nico}
>  2011/9/22 Marek Lindner <lindner_marek at yahoo.de>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2011 06:52:22 Andrew Parnell wrote:
>>> > One thing I would like to suggest is to have a more formalised
>>> > arrangement for the test network that we will use for WBMv5.  Though I
>>> > am a newcomer to this, one thing that I couldn't help but notice was
>>> > that many of us were there for 5-6 days before we were actually
>>> > deploying the Foneras and building a test mesh.  It seems that this is
>>> > not the most efficient use of our time.  Perhaps we could find a way
>>> > to require that each team/group who wishes to submit code for testing
>>> > must have this ready to go /before/ the event begins.  This way, a
>>> > firmware image can be prepared in advance, and once people begin to
>>> > arrive, we can set up the mesh immediately and have much more time for
>>> > testing.  We would probably also want to have another deadline(s)
>>> > sometime in the middle of the event perhaps, where updates can be
>>> > provided and a new firmware image(s) compiled.  Hopefully this would
>>> > allow us to use the short time we have to the maximum benefit, and we
>>> > could really get some good tests/statistics compiled as a result.
>>> It is not that we did not try in the past. We had deadlines / teams / etc
>>> but
>>> clearly lacked direction imposed by a "test leader" or "test group". The
>>> misery starts when you ask the question: What are we going to test ? You
>>> will
>>> find people chiming in that are fairly silent most of the time but feel
>>> they
>>> have to "defend" their protocol.
>>> In short: As long as we don't have someone (preferrably a protocol
>>> neutral
>>> person) who takes matters into his hands I don't expect any improvement
>>> this
>>> year either.
>>> Regards,
>>> Marek
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