[Battlemesh] FCC fw lockdown vs. GPLv3?

Benjamin Henrion zoobab at gmail.com
Tue Sep 29 11:04:30 CEST 2015


On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 4:26 AM, Linus L├╝ssing <linus.luessing at c0d3.blue> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 05:28:36PM +0200, Henning Rogge wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Benjamin Henrion <zoobab at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Henning Rogge <hrogge at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Mitar <mitar at tnode.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hi!
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there other software used by manufacturers beside kernel which could
>> >>> get easier to relicense?
>> >>
>> >> No...
>> >>
>> >> the whole GPLv3 disaster already pushed a lot of manufacturers away
>> >> from GPL solutions to software which is BSD licensed... you see the
>> >> effect in Android.
>> >
>> > Most of the codebase in Android has been rewritten towards BSD-style
>> > software, except the Linux kernel, because probably it is too big to
>> > rewrite.
>>
>> Exactly...
>>
>> relicencing to GPLv3 would be a good way to make the industry drop it
>> completely.
>
> Being more permissive on our side won't make the industry do the same.
> We've seen that with BSD and are now starting to see this again for
> GPLv2 with signed binaries. This "the industry will ignore us if
> we use GPL, Linux won't survive" argument has been there in the 90ies
> already. There it seems to me that the less permissive code was
> actually better off on the long run.
>
> Big companies simply think economically. They might keep you on the
> hook for the short term so that you throw your code at them but
> will drop you once they acquired enough own developers and own code
> on their side...
>
> If companies affiliated with Android actually want to lock their
> devices then why would I want to write code for that plattform for
> free? Screw Android - if they don't want us then this relationship
> is doomed anyways.
>
> With manufacturers (still - they seem to become less) focusing on
> hardware and young startups we actually have a chance to not drown
> completely on the long run if we were using GPLv3. The bigger the
> GPLv3 code basis we can build up now is, the more hardware
> manufacturers we can cooparate with in the future, while reducing
> the risk of being stabbed in the back later.
>
> Cheers, Linus
>
>
> PS: Have never really cared about whether to use GPLv2 or GPLv3 so
> far. But the news about the TP-Link TL-WR841N made things too real
> and outrageous for me. Sorry about getting so emotional here :(.

Do you have any technical evidence of the lockdown?

What kind of lockdown is it? Signed firmwares checked by the bootloader?

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