[Battlemesh] Call for Refugee Camps

Uros Platise uros at isotel.org
Mon Apr 25 11:55:50 CEST 2016

You are helping this guy, those who aren't equipped with iphone6 and
sponsored SIM card to be able to receive/send commands:

and there are minor side effects, ... already if you look at the
statistics at 2013 (!), the 2015 will be supersonic, the 2016 probably
for the guinness world records:

I am not sure if destruction of EU is really such a fun and encouraging,
but do support it and remember your voice also after 5-10 years and take
the responsibility for all the consequences at that times as well.

Maybe ask your neighbor if he needs some help, first.

PS: Last time we said politics stuff should stay away from the list,
which also includes politics based immigrants camps.

On 25/04/16 11:38, berat at autistici.org wrote:
> On 2016-04-24 17:48, Dave Taht wrote:
>> Gofundme has been doing an incredible job of crowdfunding efforts like
>> this, has over the fortress tried that?
> Hi Dave, no i don't think so... They use an italian site
> produzionidalbasso.com . But i will tell them about Gofundme, thanks a
> lot!
> On 2016-04-24 17:39, Philipp Borgers wrote:
>> Hi,
> Hi Philipp!
>> After you made the first contact stay present in the minds of the
>> authorities.
>> Call them atleast twice a week. Don't be afraid to make (cold) calls!
>> For
>> important tasks try to arange meetings as soon as possible.
> I don't know how bureaucratically works this kind of procedures but as
> they installed an antenna in the camp, i guess they have contacts and
> necessary permissions (at least) with Greece. But we will keep it in
> mind!
>> In your case, I guess, the most important point is to get access to
>> the camp site
>> and permission to do minimal construction work, e.g. put a pole on a
>> existing
>> building to attach a few antennas.
>> The general technical idea would be to create a point to point link
>> with two
>> dish antennas. On one end (Gevgelija) you have a roof/balkonie with
>> the antenna
>> attached and broadband internet rented. On the other end you have
>> another dish
>> antenna and a few antennas (sector) to distribute the signal to the
>> users. For
>> both sides you need permission. If money is not the problem you may
>> want to rent
>> roof space. One time cost for the installation is in the range of
>> 1000 to 3000€.
>> Monthly cost maybe around 100-200€.
> Allright, i think we have 2 big problems. First is the volume of
> data(10 thousand people who will all go to facebook, youtube etc.) and
> second is finding a place close enough for the antenna. Well,
> unfortunately money is a problem, i mean, money comes from
> crowdsourcing and donations, that's why it's important spreading the
> links. But having some numbers about costs is very important. Thanks a
> lot!
> But it would not be easier to find some Greek roof/balkonie to attach
> the antenna? Because i'm not sure if we have contacts with any
> Macedonians(and Macedonian authorities) and if they would accept it...
> Greek is EU country, Macedonia is not, do you know if there are some
> restrictions about sharing internet connection between two countries?
> Infact we thought maybe we could connect them with Greece WMN but when
> we had looked at their map , even the closest node was far away like
> 50-60 km...
> Next days we will have some more information about the camp, about its
> geographic conditions etc. If there are some Greek community members
> here, their help to find a place for the second antenna would be very
> precious.
>> What I would do in the next step:
>> * contact authorities, e.g. camp operator
>> * check if broadband internet is e.g. available in (Gevgelija) or
>> other cities
>>   that do have a line of sight to the camp
>> * check the situation in or around the camp, search for a high place
>> with power
>>   (230V) and the possibility to erect a pole
>> * check possible locations on the other site, is broadband availabe
>> (on the
>>   roof), do we see the camp
>> * document everything with photos and take good notes, e.g. address,
>> contacts,
>>   how much wire need, etc.
>> * make sure you have enough resources
>> * just do it
>> I can try to answer more specific questions. Please just ask! I'm
>> open to voice
>> chat too.
> Thanks a lot really, every word is precious! I will contact you if we
> need some more answers.
> Have a nice day!
> Berat
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 02:13:23PM +0000, berat at autistici.org wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>> I want to make a call for the extraordinary situation of refugees
>>> who are
>>> waiting on the borders of Europe. As you know, thousands and
>>> thousands of
>>> people ran away from a war, they have lost their homes, their families,
>>> loved ones, they have lost their past and the only thing remains is
>>> the hope
>>> for having a future. Finding a safe place to raise their children
>>> and live a
>>> dignified life.
>>> But unfortunately the borders of Europe are closed and hundreds of
>>> thousands
>>> of refugees are blocked in makeshift refugee camps in Greece and
>>> Turkey for
>>> months(if not for more than one year) without knowing what will happen.
>>> Conditions in refugee camps are worst in every aspect; social, health,
>>> hygiene, food, and minimum living conditions that would be
>>> guaranteed by the
>>> basic human rights.
>>> Especially now in Idomeni(which is a small village on the border of
>>> Macedonia) there is a huge refugee camp with more than 10 thousand
>>> inhabitants who are seeking for an opportunity to reach other European
>>> countries. There are different humanitarian groups(also associations
>>> like
>>> Doctors Without Borders, UNCHR) from all over the Europe who brings
>>> materials/goods, help and solidarity.
>>> An Italian group called "Over The Fortress"[0][1] also organizes
>>> continuous
>>> voluntary groups for Idomeni. They basically monitor, do reports and
>>> support
>>> information/basic necessities to the camp. They ultimately reported
>>> the high
>>> necessity of Internet connection and electricity in the camp. One of
>>> the
>>> main reasons, the only way to do an asylum application is a Skype
>>> call with
>>> Athens, which is difficult in a place with very limited resources. Even
>>> though it is considered as a "cruel and senseless procedure."[2] by the
>>> activists (and ofcourse they're right) and it should be changed as
>>> petition
>>> demands[2], at the moment this is the only way to stay in Greece.
>>> Because
>>> the agreement between Turkey and UE aims to return them back to Turkey,
>>> which is definitely not the desire of refugees. On the other hand,
>>> ofcourse
>>> these people need to comunicate with the world outside the camp
>>> because many
>>> of them have parents/familiers in some other parts of the world.
>>> So, Over The Fortress brought a generator for eletricity, for light and
>>> materials for wifi. They made a contract with a Greece ISP which
>>> provides
>>> montlhy 500 Gigabit for 200€[3]. It will be active for 4 months and
>>> they
>>> launched a campaign to sustain the project[4]. But in an ultimate
>>> mail that
>>> arrived, they informed us that the volume of data acquired in the first
>>> instance is running out of and need to be increased. Sharing this
>>> campaign
>>> with your social networks could be helpful. It can be a temporary
>>> solution
>>> and at this point, contribute of wireless communities can be very
>>> important.
>>> The aim of this mail is informing and asking a contribute from
>>> wireless mesh
>>> network communuties about this situation. While we were discussing
>>> with the
>>> Ninux community, they suggested to write to ML Battlemesh, as this
>>> problem
>>> is not temporary and need to be considered in a larger scale.
>>> Idomeni is
>>> just an example and eventhough tomorrow borders had been open, this
>>> fluss of
>>> people would still need many kinds of support and the Internet is an
>>> important one. They also informed me that some communities like
>>> Freifunk,
>>> already had supported refugees in similar situations, so they have
>>> experience, which would be very precious to share with us. In the
>>> specific
>>> of Idomeni, contribute/support of Greece community would be very
>>> essential.
>>> I've never been in Idomeni(I myself am extra-comunitario in Italy,
>>> for some
>>> reasons i can't go) but to have more technical information from the
>>> camp,
>>> you can contact with Over The Fortress, as i know Disaster Tech
>>> Lab[5] has
>>> been there and tomorrow one of my friends from CMN Pisa will go to
>>> Idomeni
>>> with a group, for a week. In return, he can make a report about the
>>> ultimate
>>> situation. Unfortunately i can't neither participate to Battlemesh to
>>> discuss it face to face. I hope this mail can be a starting point to
>>> discuss
>>> what can communities do about this situation.
>>> Thanks for reading.
>>> Berat
>>> [0]
>>> http://www.meltingpot.org/spip.php?page=lang&lang=en#pagination_elenco_articoli
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.meltingpot.org/overthefortress-a-handover-to-the-border-of-fortress-Europe.html
>>> [2] https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/stop_skype_asylum_procedure
>>> [3]
>>> http://www.meltingpot.org/Sostieni-il-progetto-No-Border-Wi-Fi-della-campagna.html
>>> [only in italian]
>>> [4]
>>> https://www.produzionidalbasso.com/project/solidarity-campaign-overthefortress-support-migrants-journey-with-us/
>>> [5] http://disastertechlab.org/
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