[Battlemesh] Proposal for battlemesh v10 "testbed"
willi.uebelherr at riseup.net
Thu Dec 15 17:26:09 CET 2016
On 15/12/2016 08:45, Henning Rogge wrote:
> it would allow us to focus work on configuration and management
> issues... we learned a lot about "how to make things difficult to use"
> and "how to shoot ourselves in the foot" in the last years.
Dear Henning and all,
i love this very much. Can we follow KISS?
Keep it Simple, Stupid
In the last days i found an old text from David Isenberg:
The Dawn of the Stupid Network
The original version
Rise of the Stupid Network
The core is: Bit in ... Bit out. Inside is the routing of the packets.
And this have to be simple. The problem is the nature of the IP address.
It is a virtual identifier and if you want to decide in the router, what
door you should open for this packet, you don't know.
We have a clear base of needs. Every device, connected to this network,
have to be able to exchange data with any other connected device, if
both want to do it.
The terms of "layers" is not helpful. It makes it only difficult for us.
You can easy operate with two layers: Transport and Application.
We act in the transport sphere. The data are not important. Only the
header. In the application sphere, the transport information are not
important. Only the data.
The most task in the transport is the routing. The packet have to find
his way. They goes from router to router. The information for navigation
should be the destination address. But if the IP address is virtual, you
have no information for your decision, what door you should open for the
If we self travel from one point to another, we use a very different
mechanism. We have the orientation in the geografical space. This is our
base for navigation.
The people from CISCO know that. But also they know, that in the
telecommunication we have no net-structures. Only bus and star. But
then, we have to go up and down.
I know, without "a thing, that you can take it in your hand", the most
people are not able to think about. This is the problem in the ISOC
(Internet Society) with IETF (Internet Engenieer Task Force) and IRTF
(Internet Research Task Force). But this spaces are the center of
theoretical proposals today.
I ask me, why the community networks are not the strongest and most
visionary group? They have no problem to make the rationality to her
base. They have no business interests. The telecommunication can stay in
The community networks groups can be the most active motor in move to
the "Next Generation Internet". This was a survival action from the EU.
And many different interpretations we find there. Mostly for fibre
But, i say clear, the "Next Generation Internet" is the routing based on
geografical address. Because then we can make the network stupid. And
But we have to separate the global address from the local address. In
the local network the people decide, what routing mechanism they use. In
the global inter-connections, we have to use the same address mechanism.
This means, we can also start in the local sphere to find the easiest
and simplest routing mechanism, the base for the transport.
many greetings, willi
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