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m people until the last days.<br>
Also i noticed that people didn&#39;t talk and tried to fix the errors foun=
d when trying to run wibed, only 5-6 people where actually working on make =
the testbeds ready.<br>
Why if is called battlemesh we talked a lot and forget about meshing?</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Il 09/mag/2016 18:02, &quot;nemesis&quot; &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:nemesis at">nemesis at</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br=
 type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">At the moment I have the imp=
ression that everybody is welcome to run tests as long as they use wibed, a=
nd if they don&#39;t, they get attacked.<br>
So I do not really understand your email Christian, do you mean that if nex=
t year we want to participate to the battlemesh we have to use wibed?<br>
Or are we free to run our own tests without being forced to use a system wh=
ich many people, who for some reason are not speaking out, find it uncomfor=
table using?<br>
It is clear to me that now there are two groups of people: those who want t=
o run wibed and those who would prefer trying something different.<br>
We either let both participate and try different scenarios, hence getting e=
ven more results, because we can do more tests if we work well, or we shoul=
d clarify that the tests need to be performed with a single system, like wi=
bed, therefore those who don&#39;t find it comfortable to work with it will=
 have to decide if coming just for the talks or not come at all.<br>
Federico<div class=3D"elided-text"><br>
On Mon, 9 May 2016 17:53:08 +0200, Christian Huldt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ch=
ristian at" target=3D"_blank">christian at</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Battle of the testbeds has to organize their own event IMHO.<br>
Battlemesh has always been a very welcoming environment, I think that is<br=
one reason for the growth, please keep it that way...<br>
Den 2016-05-09 kl. 17:39, skrev Simon Wunderlich:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
on which authority is anyone expelling anyone here? I think nobody can and<=
should get expelled on disagreements on the testbed! I think the discussion=
getting a little unprofessional here, looking at Juliusz&#39; statements, w=
wasn&#39;t participating WBM in Porto and various other events before. Plea=
se, let<br>
us keep to the facts, and don&#39;t mark anything &quot;fundamentally flawe=
d&quot;. I think<br>
that talking about problems and mistakes is very important to improve, but =
in a way that anyone should feel expelled.<br>
Please, let us talk about the problems and solutions professionally here. L=
us point out problems based on specific occurrences. And lets fix them.<br>
Personally I don&#39;t care which testbed system is used for next year, and=
for the people who prepare and perform the tests to decide (which is not me=
And personally I appreciate the effort of everyone helping to make the test=
work, even if we don&#39;t have results every time, because even if we don&=
#39;t, we<br>
as the protocol developers get valuable results. For example, even this yea=
we got various valuable bug reports which made us fix problems in BATMAN V.=
I heard correctly, it was similar for other protocols as well.<br>
Lets stay positive here!<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Simon<br>
On Monday 09 May 2016 17:07:39 Roger Baig Vi=C3=B1as wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi and goodbye,<br>
FORTUNATELY the evidences contradict the unfounded statements (the way<br>
of doing science of some academics -together with overlooking the<br>
facts which contradict their theories). In v6, inspired on v5&#39;s work,<b=
we presented WiBed and, not only we=C2=A0 got test results, but we were<br>
able to present them in figures systematically produced and a full<br>
report was delivered afterwards [1].<br>
UNFORTUNATELY some individuals insist in expelling people from the WBM<br>
while the community stays quite. Last year was Sven&#39;s turn, now it is<b=
[1] <a href=3D"" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D=
[2] <a href=3D"
html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">
My apologises to those who trust me again after last year&#39;s farce.<br>
On 9 May 2016 at 15:48, Juliusz Chroboczek<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jch at" target=3D"_blank">jch@=</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
You still hit the same problems as we had 10 years ago, it takes too<br>
much time to get a decent testbed running.<br>
No, Benjamin, read Federico&#39;s mail again.<br>
Last year, most of the people working on the testbed tried to get wibed to<=
work.=C2=A0 A small group of people (including Federico), some of which had=
never touched an OpenWRT router before, decided to work in parallel and<br>
build a simple testbed that we fully understood.=C2=A0 The small group got =
very useful results; the wibed people got none.<br>
Let us please face it: the notion of a magical testbed that will solve<br>
world hunger is fundamentally flawed.=C2=A0 The basic idea behind wibed is<=
fundamentally flawed.=C2=A0 Let&#39;s take this into account in the future =
-- let&#39;s<br>
limit ourselves to simple test frameworks that people actually understand.<=
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