<div dir="ltr"><div>Firechat was also used by folks outside the 2016 DNC in Philadelphia, which isn't mentioned on Wikipedia.  Open Garden displayed a map on their site containing pinpoints for each mesh user, presumably gleaned from the users' devices, presenting this as one of their case studies.</div><div><br></div><div>Archive.org preserved the page.<br></div><div><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170226082457/https://www.opengarden.com/case-studies.html" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20170226082457/https://www.opengarden.com/case-studies.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>No mention of whether users were informed that Open Garden would be collecting location data like this.</div><div><br></div><div>There is a thread on Hacker News discussing their follow-up product/project Meshkit.</div><div><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15797079" target="_blank">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15797079</a></div><div><br></div><div>Personal opinion is opaquely collecting location data on users undermines the point of end-to-end encryption, and it <span class="gmail-commtext gmail-c00">illustrates the risk of these peer-to-peer comms apps being abused.  Aka why proprietary can be problematic. </span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 1:18 PM Mitar <<a href="mailto:mitar@tnode.com" target="_blank">mitar@tnode.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi!<br>
<br>
Reminds me of FireChat:<br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChat" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChat</a><br>
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It was used in 2014 Hong Kong protests. :-)<br>
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But it is really hard to get any information about how secure those apps<br>
really are.<br>
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One open source I know about is:<br>
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<a href="http://www.denovogroup.org/rangzen" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.denovogroup.org/rangzen</a><br>
<br>
More or less the same people also wrote:<br>
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<a href="https://www.usenix.org/conference/foci13/workshop-program/presentation/hasan" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.usenix.org/conference/foci13/workshop-program/presentation/hasan</a><br>
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<br>
Mitar<br>
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> <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2019/09/02/hong-kong-protestors-using-mesh-messaging-app-china-cant-block-usage-up-3685" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2019/09/02/hong-kong-protestors-using-mesh-messaging-app-china-cant-block-usage-up-3685</a><br>
> <br>
> Seems proprietary though, but the use case is interesting.<br>
> <br>
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-- <br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_8390952391424486845gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Ben West<div><a href="mailto:ben@gowasabi.net" target="_blank">ben@gowasabi.net</a><br></div></div></div></div>