<div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you, Albert! </div><div><br></div><div>These are excellent. I've been aware of the CONFINE project and some of their work publishing really excellent reports, but was not aware of these specific resources.</div><div><br></div>Kind regards,<div>Rory</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:04 PM Albert Rafetseder <<a href="mailto:albert.rafetseder@univie.ac.at">albert.rafetseder@univie.ac.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Rory,<br>
<br>
Re: your (2), I'd need to ask the elders for details -- or maybe they <br>
are still on this list anyway :-) --, but I remember the EU-funded <br>
CONFINE project put considerable effort into modeling (and also <br>
measuring and documenting) networks. Here's what a quick web search <br>
found me:<br>
<br>
Project overview: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cordis.europa.eu_project_id_288535_&d=DwIDaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=xQ27Xpp_1MwpAfMieAaTnw&m=9doMX_nRl3DVpgQTlChTsfC10w38rCbW2WFAo4x_aszvGuGd4N6Hwq_3G1tDw8eq&s=w3Bl-UdBcv8fkpfmIl6M9Va6TXDchkz_3L3818MO_9g&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cordis.europa.eu_project_id_288535_&d=DwIDaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=xQ27Xpp_1MwpAfMieAaTnw&m=9doMX_nRl3DVpgQTlChTsfC10w38rCbW2WFAo4x_aszvGuGd4N6Hwq_3G1tDw8eq&s=w3Bl-UdBcv8fkpfmIl6M9Va6TXDchkz_3L3818MO_9g&e=</a> <br>
Papers and datasets: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cordis.europa.eu_project_id_288535_results&d=DwIDaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=xQ27Xpp_1MwpAfMieAaTnw&m=9doMX_nRl3DVpgQTlChTsfC10w38rCbW2WFAo4x_aszvGuGd4N6Hwq_3G1tDw8eq&s=0aHLNa8r7MLOBJPdNh2dNxHFtWoDtneRDAcDUGfgupA&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cordis.europa.eu_project_id_288535_results&d=DwIDaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=xQ27Xpp_1MwpAfMieAaTnw&m=9doMX_nRl3DVpgQTlChTsfC10w38rCbW2WFAo4x_aszvGuGd4N6Hwq_3G1tDw8eq&s=0aHLNa8r7MLOBJPdNh2dNxHFtWoDtneRDAcDUGfgupA&e=</a> <br>
<br>
The CommonNodeDB code base is still floating around as well, e.g.: <br>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_FunkFeuer_common-2Dnode-2Ddb&d=DwIDaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=xQ27Xpp_1MwpAfMieAaTnw&m=9doMX_nRl3DVpgQTlChTsfC10w38rCbW2WFAo4x_aszvGuGd4N6Hwq_3G1tDw8eq&s=rsqytLsgPF7_Ko1QqsdM-bQXliR6uo2k_WNNynsTIbo&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_FunkFeuer_common-2Dnode-2Ddb&d=DwIDaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=xQ27Xpp_1MwpAfMieAaTnw&m=9doMX_nRl3DVpgQTlChTsfC10w38rCbW2WFAo4x_aszvGuGd4N6Hwq_3G1tDw8eq&s=rsqytLsgPF7_Ko1QqsdM-bQXliR6uo2k_WNNynsTIbo&e=</a> <br>
<br>
Re: your (1), IMHO it's fine to keep messages coming through this list.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Albert.<br>
<br>
Am 09.11.2023 20:44, schrieb Mitar via Battlemesh:<br>
> Hi!<br>
> <br>
> There is:<br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> <br>
> Mitar<br>
> <br>
>> Dear Battlemesh friends,<br>
>> <br>
>> I write to solicit feedback about a project I am starting which will <br>
>> gather together a repository of mesh projects, activities, and people <br>
>> into an open access database. I'm conceiving of this as two <br>
>> subprojects.<br>
>> <br>
>> – Subproject 1: A database in some form, operated in a "crowd-sourced" <br>
>> mode in which everyone is welcome to submit entries for themselves or <br>
>> others, and I (working with a research assistant) will moderate to <br>
>> ensure some consistent quality of information in accordance with <br>
>> guidelines that I'd like to establish with feedback from this <br>
>> community. I can commit to hosting this, but I would be open to moving <br>
>> hosting to community-supported infrastructure if such a thing were <br>
>> possible. I will maintain the database in an open access mode online <br>
>> for anyone to use for any project.<br>
>> <br>
>> – As an example of one such usage, I am also working on Subproject 2: <br>
>> a data visualization that I am developing for release in concert with <br>
>> a book on mesh that I hope to have published within the next 2-3 <br>
>> years. The data visualization would draw selectively from the database <br>
>> to present certain entries in relation to concepts from my book. This <br>
>> would be a personal project, not subject to oversight from the <br>
>> community, although I would certainly warmly welcome any feedback and <br>
>> comments. I would invite (and even to a degree support) other folks <br>
>> working on similar such projects that would draw from the database.<br>
>> <br>
>> So far we are just collecting everything in a spreadsheet, and trying <br>
>> to think about what kind of taxonomy / data model would be most <br>
>> appropriate for representing all of these examples. We're collecting <br>
>> everything from community network projects, to protocols and other <br>
>> software, as well as hardware projects, and even individual people.<br>
>> <br>
>> I present this here with 3 questions at the moment:<br>
>> <br>
>> (1) Is this an appropriate forum for me to communicate with you all <br>
>> about this? I'm not sure how active this mailing list is anymore and <br>
>> whether there may be many more folks in the community now who are not <br>
>> on this list. As I mentioned, I write to solicit feedback about any of <br>
>> the above, and at some point would even like to host a workshop or <br>
>> discussion where others might offer comments about things like: <br>
>> procedures, data models, appropriate technologies for hosting, data & <br>
>> privacy, or any other concerns. I saw that there was some mention of <br>
>> this at WBMv15 (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pad.cas.cat_WBMv15&d=DwIDaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=xQ27Xpp_1MwpAfMieAaTnw&m=9doMX_nRl3DVpgQTlChTsfC10w38rCbW2WFAo4x_aszvGuGd4N6Hwq_3G1tDw8eq&s=eyJhC2ELGC2xgjA7bSJphHhmyls5dm_hdFtx5PDtggI&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pad.cas.cat_WBMv15&d=DwIDaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=xQ27Xpp_1MwpAfMieAaTnw&m=9doMX_nRl3DVpgQTlChTsfC10w38rCbW2WFAo4x_aszvGuGd4N6Hwq_3G1tDw8eq&s=eyJhC2ELGC2xgjA7bSJphHhmyls5dm_hdFtx5PDtggI&e=</a> – thanks, Paul!). Perhaps <br>
>> we could host such a conversation at a future Battlemesh, though I <br>
>> plan to complete much work on this before then.<br>
>> <br>
>> (2) Is anyone aware of prior work that partly or fully achieves <br>
>> similar goals?<br>
>> <br>
>> (3) Would anyone like to be involved either by contributing <br>
>> information & entries, or in some other capacity? As I've described, <br>
>> for me this is a mix of a community and a personal project, but I do <br>
>> hope that the community component can genuinely be so: a product of <br>
>> collective endeavor from Battlemesh folks, and mesh network <br>
>> enthusiasts more widely.<br>
>> <br>
>> Thank you kindly for reading and I look forward to any comments!<br>
>> <br>
>> Kind regards,<br>
>> Rory<br>
>> <br>
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