[Battlemesh] [bufferbloat-fcc-discuss] Fwd: FW: [CE_Society_Member] 2016 IEEE ICCE-Berlin - Call for Papers

Dave Taht dave.taht at gmail.com
Wed Apr 20 19:14:59 CEST 2016

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:09 AM, leonardo <mail at leonardo.ma> wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-04-20 at 08:05 -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
>> if you want to take the fight to the IEEE:
>> http://www.icce-berlin.org/2016/
> actually, this is one of the hundreds conferences IEEE
> organizes/sponsors, so I don't think it is much of an escalation, even
> if in the corresponding IEEE society there seem to be people interested
> in this topic. Plus, the deadline is past, the conference is in
> September and the proceedings will take a while to be published, and I
> would not really spend 500€ to register to a conference I am not really
> interested to.

Yes, well, the broader conversation is taking place all across the
industries, with different arguments based on the foci of the
participants and who they talk to, and unfortunately, the bar for
getting into some of these conversations sometimes involves pay to

I tried to talk to the "everyone talking past each other" problem at
the last battlemesh:

and personally I try to move between as many groups as possible (ietf,
ieee, open source, government, corporate) to try to understand and
engage with each viewpoint - which is quite tiring. (and at the moment
I'd like to just focus on fq_codel for wifi)

One of the more effective things I do is try to get/fund others to go
to events like these and give talks that express alien viewpoints. Far
too many echo chambers now exist on the Internet.

Recently on the bufferbloat-fcc list we'd started trying to talk about
the progress of LTE-U (and LTE-LAA) and ratholed on insufficient
expertise to be able to understand the technical arguments, while
(most) coming to the conclusions that LTE-U at least, was a game
theory and technological fail, and - but the conversation about
LTE-LAA never got started, and that is the next big issue in the 5ghz
spectrum, IMHO.

there is another group - backed by many members of the wifi and wisp
industry - and retail - putting on a conference, this week


which I'd hoped to get someone to go to.

in looking over their materials I was struck by their usage of
economic and policy arguments about the size of the industry and how
they viewed wifi's growth potential, and uses -  and how different -
and yet partially aligned  with us - it was, and wanted to get someone
to go, and listen, and talk.

And there's also http://www.saveourwifi.org/

> An answer piece to the same magazine is more reasonable to me.

Sounds good. Still, trying to get a "speaker to EE's" to talk about
our issues in widely read publication(s) outside of our echo chamber
would be good.

> leonardo.

Dave Täht
Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software!

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