[Battlemesh] No results again

[Simon Wunderlich]

Hi,

on which authority is anyone expelling anyone here? I think nobody can and 
should get expelled on disagreements on the testbed! I think the discussion is 
getting a little unprofessional here, looking at Juliusz' statements, who 
wasn't participating WBM in Porto and various other events before. Please, let 
us keep to the facts, and don't mark anything "fundamentally flawed". I think 
that talking about problems and mistakes is very important to improve, but NOT 
in a way that anyone should feel expelled.

Please, let us talk about the problems and solutions professionally here. Let 
us point out problems based on specific occurrences. And lets fix them.

Personally I don't care which testbed system is used for next year, and its 
for the people who prepare and perform the tests to decide (which is not me). 
And personally I appreciate the effort of everyone helping to make the tests 
work, even if we don't have results every time, because even if we don't, we 
as the protocol developers get valuable results. For example, even this year 
we got various valuable bug reports which made us fix problems in BATMAN V. If 
I heard correctly, it was similar for other protocols as well.

Lets stay positive here!
Thanks,
     Simon


On Monday 09 May 2016 17:07:39 Roger Baig Viñas wrote:
> Hi and goodbye,
> 
> FORTUNATELY the evidences contradict the unfounded statements (the way
> of doing science of some academics -together with overlooking the
> facts which contradict their theories). In v6, inspired on v5's work,
> we presented WiBed and, not only we  got test results, but we were
> able to present them in figures systematically produced and a full
> report was delivered afterwards [1].
> 
> UNFORTUNATELY some individuals insist in expelling people from the WBM
> while the community stays quite. Last year was Sven's turn, now it is
> mine.
> 
> [1] https://github.com/axn/wbm2pdf
> [2] http://ml.ninux.org/pipermail/battlemesh/2015-August/003807.html
> 
> My apologises to those who trust me again after last year's farce.
> 
> 
> On 9 May 2016 at 15:48, Juliusz Chroboczek
> 
> <jch at pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:
> >> You still hit the same problems as we had 10 years ago, it takes too
> >> much time to get a decent testbed running.
> > 
> > No, Benjamin, read Federico's mail again.
> > 
> > Last year, most of the people working on the testbed tried to get wibed to
> > work.  A small group of people (including Federico), some of which had
> > never touched an OpenWRT router before, decided to work in parallel and
> > build a simple testbed that we fully understood.  The small group got some
> > very useful results; the wibed people got none.
> > 
> > Let us please face it: the notion of a magical testbed that will solve
> > world hunger is fundamentally flawed.  The basic idea behind wibed is
> > fundamentally flawed.  Let's take this into account in the future -- let's
> > limit ourselves to simple test frameworks that people actually understand.
> > 
> > -- Juliusz
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