[Battlemesh] RFC: A mesh project proposal

L. Aaron Kaplan aaron at lo-res.org
Tue Nov 21 15:24:32 CET 2023 

And this article from that time is also pretty well researched
(in comparison to some other sensational news articles)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shadow-web/



> On 21.11.2023, at 15:21, L. Aaron Kaplan via Battlemesh <battlemesh at ml.ninux.org> wrote:
> 
> This might help: https://web.archive.org/web/20190209154515/https://confine-project.eu/
> 
> Also, I am sure we can ask Leandro and others for a dump of the web page.
> 
> Hope it helps,
> Aaron.
> 
> 
>> On 10.11.2023, at 14:41, Filipe Borges Teixeira via Battlemesh <battlemesh at ml.ninux.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Be aware that the confine-project.eu website is no longer the correct one.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Filipe
>> 
>> Albert Rafetseder via Battlemesh <battlemesh at ml.ninux.org> escreveu no dia quinta, 9/11/2023 à(s) 21:02:
>> If data on the tech/operational side of things is on your wishlist as 
>> well, check the work by the wonderful people at Freifunk & Gluon who 
>> collect "census" data big time:
>> 
>> Sources: https://github.com/freifunk-gluon/census-exporter
>> (I don't link to the live Grafana to spare them a DDoS ;-)
>> 
>> Inside the repo, communities.json has the per-community data source 
>> URLs, and I'm pretty sure they have something documented about GDPR and 
>> privacy issues of this type of data collection somewhere.
>> 
>> Maybe it's time to start a pad for collecting resources already?
>> 
>> Am 09.11.2023 21:04, schrieb Albert Rafetseder via Battlemesh:
>>> Hi Rory,
>>> 
>>> Re: your (2), I'd need to ask the elders for details -- or maybe they
>>> are still on this list anyway :-) --, but I remember the EU-funded
>>> CONFINE project put considerable effort into modeling (and also
>>> measuring and documenting) networks. Here's what a quick web search
>>> found me:
>>> 
>>> Project overview: https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/288535/
>>> Papers and datasets: https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/288535/results
>>> 
>>> The CommonNodeDB code base is still floating around as well, e.g.:
>>> https://github.com/FunkFeuer/common-node-db
>>> 
>>> Re: your (1), IMHO it's fine to keep messages coming through this list.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Albert.
>>> 
>>> Am 09.11.2023 20:44, schrieb Mitar via Battlemesh:
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> There is:
>>>> 
>>>> https://interop.wlan-si.net/
>>>> 
>>>> It is still operational and feel free to continue to use it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mitar
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Battlemesh friends,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I write to solicit feedback about a project I am starting which will 
>>>>> gather together a repository of mesh projects, activities, and people 
>>>>> into an open access database. I'm conceiving of this as two 
>>>>> subprojects.
>>>>> 
>>>>> – Subproject 1: A database in some form, operated in a 
>>>>> "crowd-sourced" mode in which everyone is welcome to submit entries 
>>>>> for themselves or others, and I (working with a research assistant) 
>>>>> will moderate to ensure some consistent quality of information in 
>>>>> accordance with guidelines that I'd like to establish with feedback 
>>>>> from this community. I can commit to hosting this, but I would be 
>>>>> open to moving hosting to community-supported infrastructure if such 
>>>>> a thing were possible. I will maintain the database in an open access 
>>>>> mode online for anyone to use for any project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> – As an example of one such usage, I am also working on Subproject 2: 
>>>>> a data visualization that I am developing for release in concert with 
>>>>> a book on mesh that I hope to have published within the next 2-3 
>>>>> years. The data visualization would draw selectively from the 
>>>>> database to present certain entries in relation to concepts from my 
>>>>> book. This would be a personal project, not subject to oversight from 
>>>>> the community, although I would certainly warmly welcome any feedback 
>>>>> and comments. I would invite (and even to a degree support) other 
>>>>> folks working on similar such projects that would draw from the 
>>>>> database.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So far we are just collecting everything in a spreadsheet, and trying 
>>>>> to think about what kind of taxonomy / data model would be most 
>>>>> appropriate for representing all of these examples. We're collecting 
>>>>> everything from community network projects, to protocols and other 
>>>>> software, as well as hardware projects, and even individual people.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I present this here with 3 questions at the moment:
>>>>> 
>>>>> (1) Is this an appropriate forum for me to communicate with you all 
>>>>> about this? I'm not sure how active this mailing list is anymore and 
>>>>> whether there may be many more folks in the community now who are not 
>>>>> on this list. As I mentioned, I write to solicit feedback about any 
>>>>> of the above, and at some point would even like to host a workshop or 
>>>>> discussion where others might offer comments about things like: 
>>>>> procedures, data models, appropriate technologies for hosting, data & 
>>>>> privacy, or any other concerns. I saw that there was some mention of 
>>>>> this at WBMv15 (https://pad.cas.cat/WBMv15 – thanks, Paul!). Perhaps 
>>>>> we could host such a conversation at a future Battlemesh, though I 
>>>>> plan to complete much work on this before then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (2) Is anyone aware of prior work that partly or fully achieves 
>>>>> similar goals?
>>>>> 
>>>>> (3) Would anyone like to be involved either by contributing 
>>>>> information & entries, or in some other capacity? As I've described, 
>>>>> for me this is a mix of a community and a personal project, but I do 
>>>>> hope that the community component can genuinely be so: a product of 
>>>>> collective endeavor from Battlemesh folks, and mesh network 
>>>>> enthusiasts more widely.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you kindly for reading and I look forward to any comments!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Rory
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> *RORY SOLOMON, PhD* (he / him)
>>>>> *ASSISTANT PROFESSOR*
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>>>>> | @rorys <http://twitter.com/rorys>
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