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 Yes, indeed it was not totally useless. Also Henning found a bug in 
 OLSRd2.
 But we can achieve much more than this, and we should really do that: 
 because we need it for our networks to run better, because we can, we 
 have the resources and the technical skills to do it. As Toke wrote in a 
 previous email, the problem here lies from layer 8 upwards.

 Let me also ask you Simon, who is being expelled by whom and how?

 Roger unsubscribed from this mailing list and is implying he's feeling 
 expelled.
 What does he have to do with this debate? He came on the last days of 
 the event and he did not seem to have participated in the test process, 
 so I don't see why he should feel responsible, accused or expelled for 
 anything; those of us who participated all did various mistakes and 
 crashed the testbed a few times, we should all expel ourselves then ;-)

 Federico


 On Mon, 09 May 2016 17:39:43 +0200, Simon Wunderlich 
 <sw at simonwunderlich.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on which authority is anyone expelling anyone here? I think nobody 
> can and
> should get expelled on disagreements on the testbed! I think the
> discussion is
> getting a little unprofessional here, looking at Juliusz' statements, 
> who
> wasn't participating WBM in Porto and various other events before.
> Please, let
> us keep to the facts, and don't mark anything "fundamentally flawed".
> I think
> that talking about problems and mistakes is very important to
> improve, but NOT
> in a way that anyone should feel expelled.
>
> Please, let us talk about the problems and solutions professionally
> here. Let
> us point out problems based on specific occurrences. And lets fix 
> them.
>
> Personally I don't care which testbed system is used for next year, 
> and its
> for the people who prepare and perform the tests to decide (which is
> not me).
> And personally I appreciate the effort of everyone helping to make 
> the tests
> work, even if we don't have results every time, because even if we 
> don't, we
> as the protocol developers get valuable results. For example, even 
> this year
> we got various valuable bug reports which made us fix problems in
> BATMAN V. If
> I heard correctly, it was similar for other protocols as well.
>
> Lets stay positive here!
> Thanks,
>      Simon
>
>
> On Monday 09 May 2016 17:07:39 Roger Baig Viñas wrote:
>> Hi and goodbye,
>>
>> FORTUNATELY the evidences contradict the unfounded statements (the 
>> way
>> of doing science of some academics -together with overlooking the
>> facts which contradict their theories). In v6, inspired on v5's 
>> work,
>> we presented WiBed and, not only we  got test results, but we were
>> able to present them in figures systematically produced and a full
>> report was delivered afterwards [1].
>>
>> UNFORTUNATELY some individuals insist in expelling people from the 
>> WBM
>> while the community stays quite. Last year was Sven's turn, now it 
>> is
>> mine.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/axn/wbm2pdf
>> [2] http://ml.ninux.org/pipermail/battlemesh/2015-August/003807.html
>>
>> My apologises to those who trust me again after last year's farce.
>>
>>
>> On 9 May 2016 at 15:48, Juliusz Chroboczek
>>
>> <jch at pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:
>> >> You still hit the same problems as we had 10 years ago, it takes 
>> too
>> >> much time to get a decent testbed running.
>> >
>> > No, Benjamin, read Federico's mail again.
>> >
>> > Last year, most of the people working on the testbed tried to get 
>> wibed to
>> > work.  A small group of people (including Federico), some of which 
>> had
>> > never touched an OpenWRT router before, decided to work in 
>> parallel and
>> > build a simple testbed that we fully understood.  The small group 
>> got some
>> > very useful results; the wibed people got none.
>> >
>> > Let us please face it: the notion of a magical testbed that will 
>> solve
>> > world hunger is fundamentally flawed.  The basic idea behind wibed 
>> is
>> > fundamentally flawed.  Let's take this into account in the future 
>> -- let's
>> > limit ourselves to simple test frameworks that people actually 
>> understand.
>> >
>> > -- Juliusz
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