[Battlemesh] building and supporting imaginary

Pedro pedro at cas.cat
Tue Apr 25 13:20:03 CEST 2023

Hi Ignifugo

Human castles are made by humans

Each human have its body and features that help in its way to make the 
castle better

Here, you see women participating, they collect their hair to facilitate 
the climbing, example: 

And there is also a lot of videos online, example: 

if you want to see more images, use the keyword "castells" or find one 
for a particular one as I did 

Do you want to share a more specific counterproposal of logo?


On 4/25/23 12:50, ignifugo via Battlemesh wrote:
> ciao people,
> I start speaking in my language, and after I try to translate.
> english at the end...
> Vorrei porvi l'attenzione che un logo a piramide, piena di uomini 
> muscolosi:
> https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=WBMv15-logo-v0.png 
> non è immaginario ospitale per tutti.
> So che Barcellona è una pratica autoctona e probabilmente anche solo 
> maschile ed ancora tradizionalmente chiusa...
> Quindi vi chiedo, che cosa si fa perchè una simbologia simile non si 
> traduca in un invito SOLO verso la classe dominante della regione?
> Lo chiedo perchè sono preoccupata e vi chiederei in che modo possiamo 
> fare detourment di ciò.
> Capisco che siamo a quasi 2 settimane dall'evento... e quindi è pure 
> un pacco sta cosa..
> mi chiedo quanto sia mista l'organizzazione e quanto ci sia 
> interrogati sullì'apertura verso i non uomini bianchi.
> Che storicamente per noi è un problema ed anche visualmente, 
> rappresentare piramidi, per un gruppo che gestisce collegamenti p2p 
> orizzontali, non sia assurdo.
> Una mia proposta può essere che facciamo un altro disegno ad 
> asterisco, sommando molte di quelle piramidine differenti, fino a 
> costruire una rete e facciamo un comunicato, esprimendo semplicemente 
> che ci siam sbagliate..
> e e lo diffondiamo a tutti i gruppi transfemministi di Barna e le 
> hacklab..
> che ne dite?
> il resto non lo cambiamo, ma anzi usiamo questo erroruccio per aprire 
> dialogo..
> che ne dite?
> bacetti
> Ignifugo
> ___________________________________________
> ciao
> I would like to bring to your attention that a pyramid logo, full of 
> muscular men:
> https://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV15?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=WBMv15-logo-v0.png 
> is not hospitable imagery for everyone.
> I know that Barcelona is an indigenous and probably even male-only 
> practice and still traditionally closed....
> So I ask you, what is being done so that such symbolism does not 
> result in an invitation ONLY toward the dominant class of the region? 
> but we are in time if we want to
> I ask this because I am concerned and would ask you in what ways we 
> can detourment this.
> I understand that we are almost 2 weeks away from the event--and so it 
> is a package thing as well....
> I wonder how mixed the organization is and how questioned we are about 
> being open to non-white men.
> That historically for us is an issue and also visually, representing 
> pyramids, for a group that runs horizontal p2p links, is not absurd.
> A proposal of mine may be that we do another asterisk design, adding 
> up a lot of those different pyramids, until we build a network, and we 
> make a statement, simply expressing that we were wrong
> and and we spread it to all the transfeminist groups in Barna and the 
> hacklab...
> what do you say?
> the rest we don't change it, but we use this sort of mistake to open 
> dialogue..
> kisses
> Ignifugo
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